Save data format: versioned registry, uniform item tree #28

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opened 2026-10-19 22:11:24 +00:00 by muse-lantern · 1 comment

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2026-10-19 22:11:24 +00:00

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Principles

Data-driven internally, Minecraft-style transparency. Everything is data, human-readable, inspectable. People should be able to look at stuff.
Uniform item tree. Containers ARE items — no special-case types in the save structure. A container is an item with children plus acceptance rules.
Base definition vs instance state. The registry holds static truth; the save holds a registry reference + full snapshot of per-instance state + identity.
Full snapshots, not deltas. Simpler, fewer edge cases.
Save-format versioning. Enables conversion/updates. A mod loader can check save item versions against what's installed.

Item instance structure

item_instance = {
  def = "deadair.item.weapons.1911",  -- registry reference, required
  uuid = "550e8400-...",              -- per-instance identity
  version = 3,                        -- registry version this snapshot was written against
  stats = {
    -- gameplay-modified values only, NOT base values
    condition = 0.72,
    affected_pct = 0.15,  -- grows, never shrinks (#8)
    affliction = 0.08,    -- never decreases (#8)
  },
  location = {
    -- tagged union: world position OR container slot
    -- world:     { kind = "world", pos = {...}, rot = {...} }
    -- container: { kind = "container", parent_uuid = "...", slot = "..." }
  },
  children = { ... }  -- nested items, same structure, recursive
}

Parent-child chains

Example — 1911 on the player's hip:

World > Player > Holster > 1911 > Magazine > Bullets
                  (container)   (container: chamber/magwell)

Every link in the chain is an item. The holster is an item (snapper type). The magazine is an item (ammo holder type). Bullets are generic items — no real stat modifiers for now.

Container types

Containers are items with acceptance rules:

Volumes (backpacks, persistent containers) — physics-locked storage, see #24 inventory milestone
Snappers (holsters) — dedicated slots for specific objects
Ammo holders (magazines, chambers) — check item type tags for ammo type. A 9mm mag only accepts items tagged ammo.9mm.

Ammo load order

Bullets are individual items in the holder's children list, in order. First in list = first fired. This means you can have an Altered bullet loaded in your gun and not realize it — it fires when its turn in the load order comes up. Gameplay emerges from the data model.

Dangling references (mod removed)

If a def is no longer in the registry, the node's data persists but nothing affects it — inert, not deleted, not placeholder-swapped. If the mod comes back, the item reactivates with its data intact.

Open questions

Exact serialization (JSON? human-readable text format?)
Migration path details for version bumps
Type tag taxonomy (ammo.9mm etc.) — needs its own pass

## Principles - **Data-driven internally, Minecraft-style transparency.** Everything is data, human-readable, inspectable. People should be able to look at stuff. - **Uniform item tree.** Containers ARE items — no special-case types in the save structure. A container is an item with children plus acceptance rules. - **Base definition vs instance state.** The registry holds static truth; the save holds a registry reference + full snapshot of per-instance state + identity. - **Full snapshots, not deltas.** Simpler, fewer edge cases. - **Save-format versioning.** Enables conversion/updates. A mod loader can check save item versions against what's installed. ## Item instance structure ```lua item_instance = { def = "deadair.item.weapons.1911", -- registry reference, required uuid = "550e8400-...", -- per-instance identity version = 3, -- registry version this snapshot was written against stats = { -- gameplay-modified values only, NOT base values condition = 0.72, affected_pct = 0.15, -- grows, never shrinks (#8) affliction = 0.08, -- never decreases (#8) }, location = { -- tagged union: world position OR container slot -- world: { kind = "world", pos = {...}, rot = {...} } -- container: { kind = "container", parent_uuid = "...", slot = "..." } }, children = { ... } -- nested items, same structure, recursive } ``` ## Parent-child chains Example — 1911 on the player's hip: ``` World > Player > Holster > 1911 > Magazine > Bullets (container) (container: chamber/magwell) ``` Every link in the chain is an item. The holster is an item (snapper type). The magazine is an item (ammo holder type). Bullets are generic items — no real stat modifiers for now. ## Container types Containers are items with acceptance rules: - **Volumes** (backpacks, persistent containers) — physics-locked storage, see #24 inventory milestone - **Snappers** (holsters) — dedicated slots for specific objects - **Ammo holders** (magazines, chambers) — check **item type tags** for ammo type. A 9mm mag only accepts items tagged `ammo.9mm`. ## Ammo load order Bullets are individual items in the holder's children list, **in order**. First in list = first fired. This means you can have an **Altered bullet** loaded in your gun and not realize it — it fires when its turn in the load order comes up. Gameplay emerges from the data model. ## Dangling references (mod removed) If a `def` is no longer in the registry, the node's data **persists but nothing affects it** — inert, not deleted, not placeholder-swapped. If the mod comes back, the item reactivates with its data intact. ## Open questions - Exact serialization (JSON? human-readable text format?) - Migration path details for version bumps - Type tag taxonomy (`ammo.9mm` etc.) — needs its own pass

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2026-10-23 02:14:19 +00:00

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Two rulings from tonight's session, both prompted by a bug Zach found testing main (walk off the sandbox, fall, return to menu, New Game → stored fall velocity punches the player through the floor):

Velocity is never saved, and placement negates it. A save records where the player is, not how fast they were moving. Restoring (and any placement — spawn, menu anchor, save load) starts the player body at rest. Rationale: saves are written on events like returning to the menu, which can happen mid-fall; a faithfully stored fall velocity would replay the tunneling bug on load.
You cannot save in the traversal region. The save action is simply blocked there — chosen over resolving to the nearest map edge, for long-term simplicity. (Traversal spaces are never a save location; see the layers/traversal note on #8.)

Context: the basic save v1 implementing this format's file boundary (state dict as JSON, backup-first .bak writes, one run slot) is in da-game PR #8.

— Lantern

## Save rules — refinements (Zach, 2026-10-22) Two rulings from tonight's session, both prompted by a bug Zach found testing main (walk off the sandbox, fall, return to menu, New Game → stored fall velocity punches the player through the floor): 1. **Velocity is never saved, and placement negates it.** A save records where the player is, not how fast they were moving. Restoring (and any placement — spawn, menu anchor, save load) starts the player body **at rest**. Rationale: saves are written on events like returning to the menu, which can happen mid-fall; a faithfully stored fall velocity would replay the tunneling bug on load. 2. **You cannot save in the traversal region.** The save action is simply blocked there — chosen over resolving to the nearest map edge, for long-term simplicity. (Traversal spaces are never a save location; see the layers/traversal note on #8.) Context: the basic save v1 implementing this format's file boundary (state dict as JSON, backup-first `.bak` writes, one run slot) is in da-game PR #8. — Lantern

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